Month 161 – Crappy Development

If you’ve been reading this blog from the beginning, you already know that no detail is spared in the telling of this prostate cancer tale. If you haven’t read some of the early, gory details, well, buckle up, Buttercup.

Let’s talk bowels and 💩.

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One of the known possible long-term side effects of radiation when it comes to prostate cancer is issues with your rectum and bowels, and those side effects can manifest themselves years after the radiation was completed. (It’s been 19 months since my last zapping session in August 2022.)

Something has changed with my bowels in the last few months, and I’m wondering if this is the beginning of those side effects.

The engineer in me is trying to evaluate different variables to see if these changes could be the result of something else.

As a baseline, I used to have one bowel movement a day in the morning and I was good for the day. Also, I’m a creature of habit, and my diet really hasn’t changed at all, so that’s likely not a contributing factor.

One other thing is the timing of the onset of my symptoms. It’s about the same time that I started my daily walking regimen in earnest in February. I doubt they’re related, but it is noteworthy.

So what’s different? Well:

  • About half the time, I’m now having two to three bowel movements a day. One recent day, there were five over the course of the entire day.
  • My stools have changed from well-formed “logs” to thin, soft “snakes” or “ropes” that tend to fall apart.
  • I find myself having short periods where I’m quite gassy and flatulent without any likely dietary cause (e.g., not eating frijoles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner).

The silver lining in this cloud is that I haven’t had any increases in bowel urgency, so this is quite manageable at the moment. I will admit, though, that there have been a few times when I’ve been on my daily walks when I felt the need to pass gas, and I felt I was on the edge of getting more than I bargained for if I did. Luckily, no accidents yet.

I haven’t done a ton of research on this yet, but a study out of Sweden, Salvage radiotherapy after radical prostatectomy: functional outcomes in the LAPPRO trial after 8-year follow-up, looked at the long-term side effects of salvage radiation therapy. The summary of their conclusions on bowel function:

Fecal leakage was more common after radiotherapy as found in answers to question about ‘accidentally leaked liquid stool’ with 4.5% in Radiotherapy group versus 2.6% in Control group, ‘accidentally leaked liquid stool’ once a week or daily, Odds ratio (95% CI): 1.90 [1.38; 2.62]), ‘mucus from anus’, 6.8% versus 1.5% (4.14 [2.98; 5.76]), ‘leakage of feces in clothes’, 5.6% versus 2.4%, (2.18 [1.18; 4.04]), respectively in Radiotherapy and Control groups (Figures 2, 3A and 3B and Tables S2 and S3 in the Supplement). Bleeding from the anus was more common after salvage radiotherapy, 8.6% versus 1.2% in control (3.21 [2.32; 4.44]) as was flatulence, 25% versus 14% (1.82 [1.40; 2.37]), whereas distress due to bowel symptoms did not differ, 7.8% versus 6% (1.27 [0.90; 1.80]). Defecation urgency was more common in the group given salvage radiotherapy as reported in answers to questions about need ‘to rush to the toilet’, 14% versus 5% (3.22 [2.46; 4.21]), ‘open your bowels again within 1 hour’, 17% versus 9.4% (1.53 [1.18; 1.98]). There was no statistically significant difference in ‘how often do your open your bowels’, 3% versus 2.5% (1.23 [0.92; 1.64]).

Carlsson, S., Bock, D., Lantz, A., Angenete, E., Koss Modig, K., Hugosson, J., Bjartell, A., Steineck, G., Wiklund, P., & Haglind, E. . (2023). Salvage radiotherapy after radical prostatectomy: functional outcomes in the LAPPRO trial after 8-year follow-up. Scandinavian Journal of Urology58, 11–19. https://doi.org/10.2340/sju.v58.7318

Another silver lining: no fecal leakage, mucus, or rectal bleeding so far. Woo-hoo!

Needless to say, this will be part of my conversation with my primary care physician on 9 May and with the urologist on 14 May. I’ll likely rope the radiation oncologist into the conversation, too.

I was reluctant to talk about this earlier because I wasn’t sure if this was a temporary thing or something longer term. This has been pretty persistent for about two months now, so I thought it was time to talk about it. As long as things don’t worsen, I can live with what’s happening right now (although I would prefer that I didn’t have to if I’m being perfectly honest).


I’ll have to admit that I’ve been feeling a general sense of anger and perhaps regret about this whole situation.

The source of those emotions isn’t from the side effects themselves, per se, but rather from this entire process that tends to move patients in the direction of what is considered to be overtreatment.

I may flesh this out in a longer, separate blog post one day, but when I see the likes of Dr. Scholz and others beginning to say, “Hmm. Maybe we should let the PSA rise so we can find out where the cancer is at before we start the treatments that could have life-long side effects adversely impacting the quality of life,” I get annoyed. Annoyed because I’m beginning to agree with that line of thought more and more, instead of the old, “It’s better to attack it while the PSA is low even though we don’t know exactly what’s going on.”

It’s frustrating because, my gut instinct all along was to delay until we knew where the cancer’s location, and I let the more rapid increases in my PSA, my shortening PSA doubling time, and the current “industry” guidance to act sooner rather than later get the better of me.

The frustration will continue as I move into the next chapter. I’ve been looking for studies on the best time to start androgen deprivation therapy (ADT) for someone in my situation and, from what I’ve seen so far, the guidance seems to run the full spectrum of starting early or delaying for years. Throw in the decision of whether it’s just ADT or ADT plus some sort of antiandrogen therapy, too.

I get that there are advances in research and technologies and that things are constantly changing. But at this point, I’d be happy for a clear path forward without adding additional side effects. (But I’m experienced and knowledgeable enough to know that’s just a pipe dream at this point.)

Rant over. Time to invest in some toilet paper company stock.


What’s next?

  • 1 May – PSA test
  • 9 May – Appointment with primary care (routine physical)
  • 14 May – Appointment with urologist.
  • TBD – Another PSMA PET scan if my PSA warrants it OR wait another three months for the next PSA test.

16 thoughts on “Month 161 – Crappy Development

  1. I am about three years out from radiation and didn’t notice an increase in bowel movements that wasn’t already brought on by switching to a primarily plant-based diet. But ( and there’s always a butt ), hemmeroids and increased sensitivity to spices foods has been my long “gift”.

    All tolerable and way better than the alternative, but I only order 1’s when eating Thai these days.

    On a side note, I had a colonoscopy about a year after radiation, and they noticed some redness from the treatment, but nothing remarkable. That was a huge relief.

    Take care, Dan. I’ve been following you for years now!

    -Scott

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    1. Thanks for sharing, Scott. You’re right. This is tolerable in its current state and beats the alternative. I know that I’m going to need another colonoscopy in a year or two, and it will be interesting to know what they find.

      Thanks for following along for so long. I wish I had your talent to draw. I can’t draw a stick man with a straightedge. 😂

      All the best.

      Dan

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  2. Jack Milo's avatar Jack Milo

    had radiation 5 years ago I now notice that when I have to go I can’t hold it although eating high fiber diet also urine leakage alittle more I can live with the trade off >psa is still holding low…It’s a trade off….

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    1. Thanks for sharing, Jack. I’ve also noticed a very slight increase in my stress incontinence post-radiation, too. A minor nuisance that is tolerable.

      All the best,

      Dan

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    2. Yeah, it is a trade off—one that I’ll get used to, I’m sure. Unlike you, though, my PSA isn’t holding steady, so that adds an element of frustration. It would be an easier pill to swallow if the radiation did the trick.

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  3. Don Peck's avatar Don Peck

    Dan

    You might want to consider hyperbaric oxygen treatments to help heal the radiation damage. My third urologist recommended it. However, I didn’t get the suggestion until 11 years after the radiation treatments. I had 70 HBO treatments. It didn’t help. The doctor said that it didn’t work because of the length of time. He said the HBO would have helped had I have gotten the treatments earlier.

    Don

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    1. Hi Don,

      Thanks for sharing your insights. I vaguely remember reading something about HBO a long time ago, so I’ll have to do some research to learn more about it before my next appointments.

      Dan

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  4. khalaghoda's avatar khalaghoda

    Thanks for your frank account of the “Ballad of the Bowel” post radiation – I did wonder if it was just me however your experience is virtually identical still, proving that the hemisphere in which one dwells is irrelevant!

    I read somewhere that our suffering tapers to normalcy, not sure about this but as our leader I look fwd to your early reports of better behaviour! Peter

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    1. Thanks, Peter. It’s interesting to see all those commenting here who have suffered the same fate to varying degrees.

      I hope all is well with you.

      Dan

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  5. Gary McDonnell's avatar Gary McDonnell

    We were both on a similar path when we undertook salvage radiation in the summer of 2023. I was fortunate that my PSA still remains undetectable and I wish you well as you carry on your journey. However, your Crappy Development post sure struck home with me as I can relate to everything you commented on as I have experienced them all on an ongoing basis. Like you, I can live with my situation but I am an analytical type guy and find it really frustrating in not knowing what will happen on each new day. My oncologist and the literature mentioned that there would be a change in your bowel movements, however, they talk in generalities and don’t provide you with any specifics as to what you are going to experience.

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    1. Hi Gary,

      Thanks for sharing your story. Maybe the radiation oncologists need to work on their glossy brochures to tell us what to truly expect. If my PSA was holding steady or declining, it would be an easier pill to swallow having these side effects. But, after 13+ years of dealing with this, I know nothing is certain and there are no guaranteed outcomes.

      All the best,

      Dan

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